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  Lesson #1: Welcome from Dr. Ben & Morley

A welcome message from Dr. Ben Edwards and Morley Robbins sets the stage for who these teachers are, and what you are about to learn. It's not required that you start here if you want to skip ahead. But it's always important to consider the source, right?


  1. Carolyn Dean, MD, ND, The Magnesium Miracle Ballantine Books, New York, 2003 (Revised in 2014)
  2. Weglicki WB Phillips T “Pathobiology of magnesium deficiency: a cytokine/neurogenic inflammation hypothesis” Am J Physiol 1992 Sep; 263(3 Pt 2):R734-7


- Hello, everybody. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. Here with Morley Robbins, today. We're gonna have a conversation about the root cause of chronic disease.

First, little background on me. I'm a family practitioner by training. I come from a long line of physicians. My great-grandfather was a physician, both of my granddads were physicians, two uncles that are physicians. So, a long heritage of allopathic medical training. Growing up in a small town, where both of my granddads were the doctors and they did everything. Kind of like old country doctors do. Deliver babies, amputate legs, take out appendixes, and everything in between.

So, I knew that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to really help people. Went to Baylor University undergrad, went to UT Houston Medical School. The Texas medical center, Hermann hospital, MD Anderson, you know, great training ground. Went back to Waco for my internship and residency, where I was Chief Resident. Went from there to a small town county clinic, Garza County Health Clinic in Post, Texas.

I was the only doctor in the county. I was doing what my granddads did. Treating the nursing home, doing house calls, doing the county jail, doing Friday night football game. The clinic, 40 patients a day, very successful practice.

Successful on the business side, when you see 40 a day, that's an average of seven minute visit. I was real good at that, then you make money. So the county was happy, it was a county clinic. We were in the black making money. Everything was going great. Living my dream. Following my granddads footsteps. Started to even get a little press. Had Texas Monthly do an article. The Washington Post newspaper came and put us on the front page of their newspaper.

So, now I've got fame, fortune, living the dream, but one problem: after seven years of practicing this way, I started to kind of notice, nobody's getting well, and not only that, they're getting sicker. They're getting sicker at younger and younger ages.

I diagnosed a seven year old with Type 2 diabetes in Post. I would follow these kids through their school age years, doing the high school physicals, the sports physicals. Noticing every year these kids are getting a little heavier, their blood pressures are going up, their cholesterol is out of whack. I mean these are kids.

So, people were getting sick. I was real good at writing prescriptions but the following year, I'd have to increase the dose. I'd have to add another diabetes pill, and then a third diabetes pill, and then another high blood pressure pill. It was just this constant adding of medications and nobody got well, and that's what I was trying to do. I didn't know anything different, but it was kind of a burden on me because it's depressing.

Then, I was introduced to integrative medicine, and for those of you who don't know, that basically means you integrate other modalities from around the world.

America doesn't have the monopoly on the best way to do health care. In fact, we're the worst by all statistical analysis. We have the worst disease rates. We have the most chronic disease. Almost 50 percent of our kids have a chronic disease. We have the highest infant mortality rate. We have the lowest life expectancy. I mean, any way you try to slice it medically, we're the worst.

Then, translate it over to on the business side, we're the worst too. We spend the most money and get the worst results.

So, when I really started to look at this thing, I thought, "Wow, maybe I do need to integrate some things from, say, traditional Chinese medicine." I mean, the Chinese aren't stupid and they've been doing traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of years.

We first knew about it in 1971 when Nixon went over there and the press corps went with him, and one of the reporters for the, I think, the Washington Post or New York Times, Ralston, he had an acute appendicitis attack. They used acupuncture in China to deal with his pain and his anesthesia, basically. So, that opened our eyes to, wow, there's other ways to do medicine.

I started integrating these different supplements and herbs and different things for about five years. Started to notice this common denominator in all disease is inflammation and I think even the conventional doctors recognize this now.

Cancer, that's inflammation.

Heart disease, inflammation.

Alzheimer, autoimmune autism, you name it, it's all inflammation based.

So, the inflammatory process, that's the immune system turning on to fight something. So, I'd logically thought, well, it's either a germ or a toxin. That's what an immune system fights. So, I started chasing bugs, Candida, limes, parasites, heavy metals, different toxins, food. All of these people that are sensitive to all of these food. The body was interpreting food as a toxin. It was crazy.

So, I did a lot in the dietary realm. A lot in supplements and trying to chase bugs and toxins. But, still, there's a significant portion of the patients who wouldn't get all the way better, or some wouldn't get any better. I'm chasing bugs and toxins. So, I was always looking for something more, something deeper.

I actually had a patient who wasn't fully responding, who found Morley, and introduced me to Morley. I started looking at Morley's stuff, which is evidence-based, hardcore research driven information. Medical information. Stuff I don't have time to do. I wasn't trained in medical school to do really. How to really dive into the hardcore research, and that's what I noticed, wow, Morley spent 10 years diving into the medical research from around the world. And, not just the current pharmaceutical driven medical research but around the world, all the research and connecting the dots to what's really triggering inflammation.

What's at the very, very root of this inflammatory cascade? Fascinating what I've learned and it's actually simpler than anything I've ever done, and that's kind of a disconnect. We think all this crazy disease, but it's really something fairly simple.

I think we've got to understand, again, America, we're the sickest, but pre World War Two, we were the healthiest. Four percent of our population had chronic disease pre World War Two, and, then since then, it's been nothing but downhill. Something's happened recently.

This isn't genetics.

Genetics don't change that fast. So, how did we go from the healthiest group in the world to the sickest group in the world, although we're taking the most drugs, spending the most time in the doctor's office, spending the most money for sure? I think we can all admit something's wrong. We're off course somewhere.

We know inflammation's the issue, but we got to dive deeper to figure out the very root cause of inflammation. That's what we're gonna talk about today. So, inflammation, I think we all agree that's what we're looking at.

What's causing this inflammation?

I thought it was germs and toxins. Turns out there was something even deeper. Something disrupting our internal terrain that allowed the germ and toxin to come in, but I wasn't going deep enough.

Once I got introduced to Morley, started looking at his research, it clicked. This is the very root that disrupts terrain, that drives the whole inflammatory cascade. So, Morley Robbins, although he's not a MD, he's not a doctor. He's not a PhD. Sometimes that's better though. Haven't been indoctrinated, I like to say.

- [Morley] Right.

- [Dr. Ben] What Morley's done over the past ten years is spend every single day reading peer reviewed medical literature from around the world and synthesizing it. Putting it all together. Something I haven't done. I don't believe most doctors do. We don't have time to do. Really, actually, don't have the capability to do. So, I value Morley in what he does and what he brings to the table greatly, even though he's just an old former hospital administrator.

- [Morley] Yeah, that's right. It's been a surprise for me as well. If someone had told me 10 years ago that I would be sitting in Lubbock, Texas, elbow to elbow with a very gifted general practitioner, I'd say, "I don't think so." Talking about iron and magnesium and copper, I never imagined this. Unlike you, I guess I'm sort of the inverse of your background. My family was very sickly, going to doctors. We spend a lot of time with doctors. When you're in that environment, what do you want to do? You want to be a doctor right? So my sister became a nurse and, so, I went to college with the expectation I was gonna be a doctor. I just didn't have the academic discipline. Part of it was really, I didn't understand why I needed to study organic chemistry and physics and calculus because I wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon.

- [Dr. Ben] Right.

- [Morley] And I had been influenced by an orthopedic surgeon who had saved my knee, and it was like obvious, I wanna do more of that. That was pretty cool. I got rejected by 18 medical schools. 12 in one day. That was kind of a--

- [Dr. Ben] Ouch.

- [Morley] Pow. Kind of--

- [Dr. Ben] Build your confidence.

- [Morley] Knock your wind out of you. So, if you can't go to medical school, what do you do? You become a hospital administrator because if you can't be a doctor, boss them around. That's what they do--

- [Dr. Ben] Logical.

- [Morley] Yeah, and so, I did that for 12 years and I focused on the growth side of the business. I was very aware of the trends that you were talking about. That there is this explosive growth of disease and that there's a lot of money involved, and I was helping to build bigger and better hospitals, and develop clinical programs so that hospitals could grow. That's what I did as an employee and then I did it for 20 years as a consultant. It was a very stimulating and, I thought, rewarding way to make a living because I really thought I was helping the system.

Two things that happened that really changed my whole perception were: one, a frozen shoulder that the doctors wanted to operate and I said, "I don't think that's the answer," and the other was a study that I did as a consultant in 2008 to project where chronic disease was gonna be in 2025. It was a shock to see hockey sticks on every index. Whether we're talking heart disease, cancer, neurodegeneration, diabetes, didn't matter what the condition was. There was gonna be an explosive growth in disease and I realized I can't stay on the sidelines.

I had this overwhelming sense I need to, someway, contribute to solve this. I started to focus on becoming a wellness coach, and took training in that direction. While that was unfolding, I was trying to deal with this frozen shoulder. I couldn't pick my hand up above my waist. I couldn't sleep. It was really very uncomfortable. So, I went to a local health food store that I had frequented for 20 some years and explained what the problem was and they said, "Well, you need to go see Dr. Liz," and I went, "No. I don't do witchcraft." Because I knew that was code for chiropractor, and I knew that in a yard stick of healing, 35 inches of it was allopathic and one inch was a bunch of wackos.

So, I said, "Look, just sell me some supplements and I'll, hopefully, it'll feel better." I did that for two or three months and it was miserable. Went back to the health food store and explained that I wasn't getting any better, and the owner looked me in the eye, golden tongue wisdom, said, "Morley, we love you. Go see Dr. Liz." So, with my tail between my legs, I made an appointment with Dr. Liz and she practices what's called Network Chiropractic. It's very light touch, energetic healing. We're talking right out on the edge of voodoo.

- [Dr. Ben] Right.

- [Morley] And, so I went from resisting it to saying, "Okay. I'm willing to try it." Within two weeks, I had full rotation and motility of my shoulder and I realized that the yardstick flipped. It went from, now I've got 35 inches of gifted healing, natural healing, and one inch was a bunch of people calling themselves MDs.

It really began this process of saying, "Is there more to the story? And, what's behind all these hockey sticks that I was seeing?" Really begin to delve into what's going on, and I think your point about not being indoctrinated is really important. I didn't have any resistance to what the literature was telling me, and I did something very unique.

I started reading literature back in the 1910s, 1920, 1930s, again, as you said, from all over the world, and it was fascinating what I was learning. I was challenged by one of Dr. Liz's clients, she was a psychologist. She said, "Morley, you need to write about what you're reading." I said, "Okay. Maybe that's a good idea." She said, "But, you need to do something very special." I said, "What's that?" She said, "You need to use paradoxical intent." I didn't know what she was talking about. She said, "It's reverse psychology."

So I wrote a series of articles. One was called Let's Get Fat, Let's Make a Heart Attack, Let's Break Bones. What I was doing was using the disease of the month club websites. Find out what they were trying to do. I went to into literature to find out that was the exact opposite of what you were supposed to do, and started writing these very clever, I thought they were clever, articles that were teaching people what the true disease process was. I mean it was very striking when, and the Let's Get Fat book is only this big. Little tiny book and 10 step plan. People would buy it and they'd say, and they were clearly overweight, and they would say, "Wait a minute. I'm doing seven of these things." I said, "How's that working for you?" They realize, oh my gosh, they were, in fact, following the conventional code and it was causing them problems.

So, the one on Let's Make a Heart Attack had a 10 step plan, and I was sharing it with another practitioner. She really enjoyed it. She said, "But, Morley, I can't help but think that step number 8 isn't more important." That was stop taking magnesium. If you wanna have a heart attack, that's the best way to do it. Get magnesium out of your body and out of your diet. So I did the natural thing.

I found a book on it. It was Carolyn Dean's The Magnesium Miracle. I started reading it and it was like reading a murder mystery. I couldn't believe what I was learning about how important that one mineral was. What I learned very early on in that process of discovery is that the gateway to inflammation is magnesium deficiency. That's the pioneering research of William Weglicki and Terry Phillips at George Washington University in 1992. So, I had that as sort of a backdrop and then I started digging deeper and deeper. Then, through the process of these nine or 10 years, had discovered that, well, there's more to the story.

But, it's not a whole lot more. You got to have copper, but it needs to be bioavailable. Needs to be complexed in a key enzyme that's very, very important in the body, and you got to be really careful about this iron because iron is like a four year old with a hammer. If it's not complexed with that enzyme, it's gonna act out in the body; and, what happens when iron is unchaperoned? It creates what's called Oxidative Stress and that starts to cascade that then leads to inflammation which, then, ultimately gets hooked up with all these diseases. My stage name is Magnesium Man. I started a website six or seven years ago called

Get it?

'Got Mag?' as opposed to 'Got Milk'?

- [Dr. Ben] Right. Mnemonic.

- [Morley] Yeah, and then, about five years ago, started a Facebook group. I didn't even know what Facebook was, but someone suggested, "I think you need to start a Facebook group." So, I started Facebook group called the Magnesium Advocacy group, and the nickname is MAG, and we started with three people. One of them was a dog, and now we have over 112,000 people. We had a 1000 people a week. People, all over the world, are looking for this kind of new information, but, as you're calling it, this bedrock of what's really driving the disease process. What I get people to realize is that Magnesium Man,, Magnesium Advocacy group, but all I focus on now is iron toxicity because iron eats magnesium for lunch. It creates magnesium deficiency, and I've renamed stress the magnesium burn rate. What we're really seeking to do in this protocol that we're gonna talk about is really help people deal with their stress, particularly their oxidative stress, and restore the minerals that are gonna enable them to stay in balance and prevent that stress from taking over.

- [Dr. Ben] Right. So when stress is up, magnesium's down. Whole cascade of events follows.

- [Morley] Yeah, absolutely.